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Are diasporans cowards who packed, left when the going got tougher? - Live Discussion

by Moyo Roy
18 Jan 2014 at 07:47hrs | Views
Good day good people, today our discussion is mainly based on the comment below which I came across online while responding to one of our opinion articles by Msebeni.

The part of the comment that caught my eye reads: "What's amazing is the fact that you are a diaspora party,i personally do not like Mugabe,nor his policies,but i am not a politician(rather a coward that packed and left when the going got tougher)..."



Are people in the diaspora cowards who packed and left when the going got tough?
  • Admin

    18 Jan 2014 at 15:36hrs

    Thank you all for taking part in this discussion. This Live Update has been closed but you can still comment at the bottom.

  • Azonto

    18 Jan 2014 at 15:14hrs

    It takes bravery to leave your home and go to foreign land that you don't know anything about. As you know even the so called political leaders have gone on exile during wars and battles and left their loved ones and followers behind. If we go back to our history books we will see how Joshua Nkomo fled to UK during Gukurahundi, The fighters Zipra and Zanla forces were all over the world during the war of Chimurenga and so on.

  • Anonymous user

    18 Jan 2014 at 14:57hrs

    Their generation of leadership and the demands of today's generation are 2 different things hense distruction of the country. How can you stay in rotten by corruption from head to bottom? How can a person Zim earn US40 000 while his subordinates spend 8 wks without pay and nothing is done to 'fix' it. How can a mgr earn US 250 000 months in country which is fight for its survival where members of such a scheme turned coz the scheme has insuffient funds and nothing is done about the looter coz all looters! How can you remain in a country where you have to be killed for rasing a different view from those on power? We don't think the same! How can you remain in country you can't be to expalain your why they can't go to school? How can you as a man continue to support other men so can feed their children while yours are fixed by hunger? To hell with such a country under such leadership!!

  • chirhillele

    18 Jan 2014 at 14:57hrs

    if he could even Mugabe would be staying in Diaspora Now, tell me how many times has he gone to Singapore for treatment. just that he has an economy to keep destroying hence his stay (few weeks dots though) in Zimbabwe

  • Anonymous user

    18 Jan 2014 at 14:57hrs

    Their generation of leadership and the demands of today's generation are 2 different things hense distruction of the country. How can you stay in rotten by corruption from head to bottom? How can a person Zim earn US40 000 while his subordinates spend 8 wks without pay and nothing is done to 'fix' it. How can a mgr earn US 250 000 months in country which is fight for its survival where members of such a scheme turned coz the scheme has insuffient funds and nothing is done about the looter coz all looters! How can you remain in a country where you have to be killed for rasing a different view from those on power? We don't think the same! How can you remain in country you can't be to expalain your why they can't go to school? How can you as a man continue to support other men so can feed their children while yours are fixed by hunger? To hell with such a country!!

  • NTUMBANE NYONI

    18 Jan 2014 at 13:42hrs

    Viva diasporans viva phansi ngokubusa izwe umuntu aze afe phansi .its a culture of our leaders in Zimbabwe they failed us now they calling us cowards , we cant get anything in that country to start your own thing there to servive instead they will just laugh at you .Roy I beg you to remind our old leaders to step down they are running our beautiful country to crisis

  • Anonymous

    18 Jan 2014 at 13:33hrs

    Kikikiki....Mukaratirwa you have hit the nail on the head by saying had it not been for the diasporians, there could be a sign that reads COUNTRY CLOSED! There nothing true than that. Zim could be history in its existance ask bomalayitsha of 2007/8. Beitbridge is open 24 due to diaspora crossing. That on its own brings empolyment to zanu children and supporters.

  • Hokoyo

    18 Jan 2014 at 13:27hrs

    We are serving our country and families from starving. Not cowards but real fighters for a better place to live in Zim

  • Anonymous

    18 Jan 2014 at 13:12hrs

    What this guy lacks to understand is that he himself was directly or indirectly saved by the diasporians thru what was sent home. He benefited directly or indirectly in any form. Had diasporians not left, he wouldn't have had the oppotunity he has if has anything coz proffessionals who left could be occupying tha position or job.

  • Doomed

    18 Jan 2014 at 13:09hrs

    When u hear a Minister of Finance howling insults to the banks and telling industry to fend for itself then u know he has failed to fix the Zimbabwe economy. We are now on auto pilot and heading for a recession with no solution in sight. They are desperate and may have to bring zwd back with grave consequences. Diasporans u are our new liberators. You are doing fine and carry on. The chinamasa and other looters have no clue and neither do they care as long as they enriching themselves.

  • robert M

    18 Jan 2014 at 12:41hrs

    All that his tough going that someone who is just but an idiot can not see that diasporans are doing a well done job to save the nation from collapsing in totality,so we say viva diasporans and down with Zanu Pf.

  • robert M

    18 Jan 2014 at 12:36hrs

    All that his tough going that someone who is just but an idiot can not see that diasporans are doing a well done job to save the nation from collapsing in totality,so we say viva diasporans and down with Zanu Pf.

  • robert M

    18 Jan 2014 at 12:35hrs

    All that his tough going that someone who is just but an idiot can not see that diasporans are doing a well done job to save the nation from collapsing in totality,so we say viva diasporans and down with Zanu Pf.

  • Mafirokureva

    18 Jan 2014 at 12:31hrs

    All the foreign currency used in Zimbabwe comes from the diaspora community as there is nothing being exported by the country at present. If it was fear that drove the Diasporas out to save the country it worked well. Most of the people who went out of the country to fight in the liberation struggle were fugitives of the law, were forced to go, were abducted, were common criminals and very few had a clear reason why they left the country!

  • mukaratirwa

    18 Jan 2014 at 12:06hrs

    For as long as the government of Zanu pf and in particular the Chinamasas of this country continue to make irresponsible statements backed by policies that are not investor friendly, the diasporans continue to play a big role in sustaining the economy of this country.

  • Godknows Masonganyoka Sibanda

    18 Jan 2014 at 11:38hrs

    Politically yes,because that has perpetuated the Zanu and Mugabe's stay in the government,people are in their comfort zones in the diaspora and have forgotten that their country is being turned into a dessert,Economically,no,because our lives were relegated into those of hunters and gatheres and I'm one of the people who wasn't prepared to starve to death,however with Zapu's devolution of power I'm prepared to come back home.

  • mukaratirwa

    18 Jan 2014 at 11:34hrs

    Shame on anyone who describes diasporans as cowards. To me these people are heroes and heroines more deserving of that status than some people who lie today at the heroes acre and are therefore called heroes. It is because of diasporans that some

    people are alive today for besides hunger that would have killed them, they were rescued in terms of medical attention made possible by diasporans who paid for their operation or sent the drugs not available in the country. A lot of children managed to finish their education and some as far as graduating because of diasporans. The literacy rate that Mugabe and his Zanu pf continue shouting about is now mostly being sustained by diasporans sending money for fees. Did we not all read a few days ago about more than 1 million school dropouts this year because the government has failed to avail the funds. Of course they are busy paying each other obscene salaries and corruption and looting reigns. I bet my last dollar that number is going to reduce significantly because diasporans are going to come to the rescue with fees for these robbed children. I know of a group of people who belong to our party Zapu who are business people in the diaspora who have already set up a fund to come to the rescue of a number of these affected children and Zapu being different by far from Zanu pf is going to help these children irrespective of their parents's political affiliation. Zapu as a party also has a policy for supporting diasporans when it gets into power of giving incentives to diasporans such as tax holidays because other than sending money home for consumption by their families some want to do serious investments which must be supported hundred percent because these are Zimbabweans who at the end of the day will still come back home and their nature of investment has a lifetime guarantee stamp on it and without conditions too. To diasporans I say thank you for having the foresight that had we all stayed here we would have had sign posts at all our border points long back that read COUNTRY CLOSED.

  • Mthwakazi kandaba

    18 Jan 2014 at 11:21hrs

    People should remember that nothing was left in that country so called ZIM at that time ,but those who were out side the country kept the country going by sending money,food,furniture and fuel while there was nothing left ecxpt violence .so please blame ZANU and praise DIASPORIANS

  • WeZhira

    18 Jan 2014 at 11:04hrs

    We are the unsung Heros who are injecting at least a billon annually into a stagnant economy. Velifief by mental challenged ninogerian. We made dollarisation a walk in the park, we eased surpused housing 2030 within five yrs we saw opportunities somewhere and took it . We are the lifeline of Zim

  • mudzimu mukuru

    18 Jan 2014 at 11:04hrs

    Leaving all the prividges & all the comforts at home,for tough life in a foreign land,all these for the sake of ur family,its not cowardice.whoever wrote that comment has a misplaced & selfish,devisive mentality,He doesn't understand the economic importance that the diasporans have!

  • Mandlo

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:59hrs

    Of course not,u think kumnandi uku ngena ku limpompo emzini wengwenya? Ukudabula amagusu ungazi loba kophuma isilwane kumbe impisi ezingabantu? Then susithi coward ?

  • Economic Freedom Fighter

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:40hrs

    The diasporans are not cowards. Never. These are the heroes of our time. Their remittances provided a ray of hope when all was not well. Just like the 1970s freedom fighters who are credited for delivering 1980 Independence. The diasporans should be credited for providing an economic lifeline when doom was imminent. Instead they are the Economic War Veterans.

  • Mzilikazi

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:39hrs

    Those who left the country were wise and responsible citizens who wanted to fend for their families. How could one feed his family when all you could find in supermarkets were condoms. Those who remained are not brave either. They were either stupid or simply did not have any clue. Many people died of starvation and cholera all because they didn't leave the country. Others were killed during the 2008 elections. Is this what you call bravery. To me this is a form of blind and stupid bravery. Those whom you call cowards survived and are now helping clean the mess that was. created by some stupid bravery. Remember cowards die many times bit they live longer.

  • Foolish Bravery

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:19hrs

    Professionals and skilled people who were brave to stay in Zimbabwe made a grave mistake. The Zimbabwe economy is shrinking with no viable solution in sight. People who stayed were political freedom fighters who lost the fight and are now economic destitudes. Diasporans were viosionary and wise to avoid this economic mess. Diasporans were so successful that Chinamasa wants to launch a diaspora bond. The promoters of Econet were wise to relocate to RSA to avoid and mitigate Zimbabwe risk. Diasporans were brave,wise and visionary. With this economic mess in Zimbabwe diasporans must be patting their backs for having made the decision to stay abroad. They say home is best but not when your home is Zimbabwe. The Zimbabwe home is hell at the moment especially for the youth employees and pensioners.

  • Anonymous

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:09hrs

    Ha ha ha....people do not talk bad about mugabe, there is nothing good to talk about him and besides, he is bad himself due to his bad govening of the country plunging it into ruins when we have other ruins.

  • ZAPU- Canada Province

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:04hrs

    Please be reminded that the economy of Zimbabwe is dependent on US$1 billion remittances from the Diaspora. ZAPU is well advised to have in its structures a Diaspora Region where Zimbabweans who left the country under circumstances beyond their control to participate in shaping the future of their country.

  • Snombo

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:04hrs

    The economy is not functioning at all so how can one stay in a place like that if u equipped education wise,mind also that e pple out side are e ones bringing in foreign currency,hence thats helping those at home,

  • Anonymous

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:00hrs

    Being a diaspora is not being a coward but the opposite. To move out of your country and mindle with people and culture foreign to you is not for the faint hearted. Well all is due to "created" presure. Besides diasporians ve made the country cross the bridge without fall into it. 2007/8 was a year for the country cease existed, but a determination of dispaorians in sending money, grocery etc made the country "survive" ot it could be history.

  • Denver

    18 Jan 2014 at 10:00hrs

    Thats being stupid to say that those who left the country are cowards. It doesnt matter what kind of a job someone is doing in foreign lands as long you are able to take care of your family and those you left back home. You cannot feed an empty stomach with chimurenga history. I was never persecuted by Zanu but i left the country for greener pastures.

  • Esikhosini abakoMalinga

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:58hrs

    Nop there are not cowards,in such circumstances we can not all die watching,plan B must come up in order to survive,one must see tomorrow,and tell about our sorrows,and precise it worked when hunger took its course,the diasporas were sending money,food e.t.c back home ,so right now plan C must come up from these diasporas to change the current situation in Zim,either mutiny style, devolution Egypt style or rebelling Libyan style,we can not call a person who risked his/her life by traveling to unknown land for the sake of serving others,they are more like soldier,who can be given any task to perform,there are more like exiles and these heroes who went to Zambia,Tanzania to free the Zimbos from Smith,them diasporas can do it again if given equipment to execute the tyrant Zanu Pf.

  • Edward Mushiri

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:44hrs

    Running away from ur country is being coward . In any country where there a multiple of challenges for u to be heard u must put pressure but when conditions a well come we go back to our homes .we a not good fighters

  • Thomas

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:43hrs

    People who left are economic refugees but not cowards. Some of the diasporans have realised their full potential which they would not have realised had they stayed back in Zimbabwe. In Zimbabwe there is no enabling environment especially for the middle class and other skilled people. These people are doing so well in properly functioning economies like RSA and they have no reason to come back to a dysfunctional economy going thru a deflation. The political leadership in Zimbabwe does not understand the difficulties that the Zimbabwe economy is facing and neither do they have any solutions to fix the economy. Diasporans have no reason to come back to, no more in the banks,80% unemployment, no Zesa,no water etc. Diasporans have been vindicated and were wise to run away from this economic mess.

  • Ha ha ha

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:42hrs

    They are more than cowards. These are the very people who talk sh*t about Cde President. They are just arm chair critics who are supposed to be allowed to talk abt Zim issues as they fleed the country. They talk as if they know it all whilst most of them are busy doing rese rese ku Hingrandi. COWARDS and IDIOTS

  • Benard

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:41hrs

    How l wish Zapu was in power with their devolution policies, we could be having a few diasporeans right now. Most people were forced to exile by the ruling Zanu's policies and MDCs did not help matters either on the issue of coming up with sound policies which will see most diasporeans coming home and being involved directly in the economic development of their country.

  • benard

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:34hrs

    Can we always define a person who runs away as a coward? in Ivory Coast they say, "Asante kotoko" (we know how to attack and we know how to run away) Am in Zimbabwe but those with economic mind will know that when business's catchment area is depopulated you relocate

  • Thomas

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:19hrs

    People who left are economic refugees but not cowards. Some of the diasporans have realised their full potential which they would not have realised had they stayed back in Zimbabwe. In Zimbabwe there is no enabling environment especially for the middle class and other skilled people. These people are doing so well in properly functioning economies like RSA and they have no reason to come back to a dysfunctional economy going thru a deflation. The political leadership in Zimbabwe does not understand the difficulties that the Zimbabwe economy is facing and neither do they have any solutions to fix the economy. Diasporans have no reason to come back to, no more in the banks,80% unemployment, no Zesa,no water etc. Diasporans have been vindicated and were wise to run away from this economic mess.

  • Thunalengane

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:07hrs

    So what do you want us to do??what are those didn't runaway doing for the better??you Zimbabwe is police state you can't even peaceful demonstrate in that country,Human rights is not respected by authorities,pls leave us alone

  • Tsholotsho

    18 Jan 2014 at 09:03hrs

    When Smith oppressed us we left the country in big numbers but some remained . Who were cowards?

  • kaizer

    18 Jan 2014 at 08:57hrs

    lm one the professionals that left in 2007, as a bread winner there was nothing l can do except to look fo green pastures. frm a political point of view we are corwards

  • Anonymous user

    18 Jan 2014 at 08:50hrs

    They aren't cowards @all. How do u sit and watch yo family starve, how do sit when your kids don't have money for school fees?.. How do survive when the supermarkets have only vinegar, biscuits and tissue paper (yet there isn't water to use in the toilet). Had it not for people in the diaspaora we could dibating the stats of people who died for starvation in 2006/7/8. People in diaspora kept the fires burning. The little they sent home evry monthend was what dicided wheather their families would die of hunger or not.. It is a well know fact that in Zim of every household or village there's someone in diaspora; be it UK, SA, Botswana or else where. These people should never be persecuted, blame or looked down upon as cowards who ran away when the going got touch. Instead they should recommended for a good job well done.

  • Moyo Roy

    18 Jan 2014 at 08:42hrs

    The person who wrote that comment might have been using an Econet line and had forgotten what diasporans have done for the country

  • Zimbabwean in zimbabwe

    18 Jan 2014 at 08:38hrs

    Why waste time... 5 years in Zimbabwe and you are worse off... 5 Yeats outside and what an improvement

  • Moyo Roy

    18 Jan 2014 at 08:32hrs

    Lets Discuss!

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